CURDLE P. Kampanakis Internet-Draft AWS Intended status: Experimental D. Stebila Expires: 25 February 2025 University of Waterloo T. Hansen AWS 24 August 2024 PQ/T Hybrid Key Exchange in SSH draft-kampanakis-curdle-ssh-pq-ke-04 Abstract This document defines Post-Quantum Traditional (PQ/T) Hybrid key exchange methods based on traditional ECDH key exchange and post- quantum key encapsulation schemes. These methods are defined for use in the SSH Transport Layer Protocol. Status of This Memo This Internet-Draft is submitted in full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet- Drafts is at https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." This Internet-Draft will expire on 25 February 2025. Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 2024 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the document authors. All rights reserved. Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 1] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (https://trustee.ietf.org/ license-info) in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect to this document. Code Components extracted from this document must include Revised BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as described in the Revised BSD License. Table of Contents 1. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1.1. Requirements Language . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2. PQ/T Hybrid Key Exchange . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2.1. PQ/T Hybrid Key Exchange Method Abstraction . . . . . . . 4 2.2. PQ/T Hybrid Key Exchange Message Numbers . . . . . . . . 5 2.3. PQ/T Hybrid Key Exchange Method Names . . . . . . . . . . 5 2.3.1. mlkem768nistp256-sha256 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2.3.2. mlkem1024nistp384-sha384 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 2.3.3. mlkem768x25519-sha256 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 2.4. Shared Secret K . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 2.5. Key Derivation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 3. Message Size . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 4. Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 5. IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 6. Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 7. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 7.1. Normative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 7.2. Informative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 Appendix A. Other Combiners . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 Authors' Addresses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 1. Introduction Secure Shell (SSH) [RFC4251] performs key establishment using key exchange methods based on (Elliptic Curve) Diffie-Hellman style schemes defined in [RFC5656] and [RFC8731]. The cryptographic security of these key exchanges relies on certain instances of the discrete logarithm problem being computationally infeasible to solve for adversaries. Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 2] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 However, if sufficiently large quantum computers become available, these instances would no longer be computationally infeasible rendering the current key exchange and authentication methods in SSH insecure [I-D.hoffman-c2pq]. While large quantum computers are not available today an adversary could record the encrypted communication sent between the client and server in an SSH session and later decrypt it when sufficiently large quantum computers become available. This kind of attack is known as a "harvest-now-decrypt- later" attack. This document addresses the problem by extending the SSH Transport Layer Protocol [RFC4253] key exchange with Post-Quantum Traditional (PQ/T) Hybrid [I-D.ietf-pquip-pqt-hybrid-terminology] key exchange methods. The security provided by each individual key exchange scheme in a PQ/T Hybrid key exchange method is independent. This means that the PQ/T Hybrid key exchange method will always be at least as secure as the most secure key exchange scheme executed as part of the exchange. [PQ-PROOF] [PQ-PROOF2] contain proofs of security for such PQ/T Hybrid key exchange schemes. In the context of the [NIST_PQ], key exchange algorithms are formulated as key encapsulation mechanisms (KEMs), which consist of three algorithms: * 'KeyGen() -> (pk, sk)': A probabilistic key generation algorithm, which generates a public key 'pk' and a secret key 'sk'. * 'Encaps(pk) -> (ct, ss)': A probabilistic encapsulation algorithm, which takes as input a public key 'pk' and outputs a ciphertext 'ct' and shared secret 'ss'. * 'Decaps(sk, ct) -> ss': A decapsulation algorithm, which takes as input a secret key 'sk' and ciphertext 'ct' and outputs a shared secret 'ss', or in some cases a distinguished error value. The main security property for KEMs is indistinguishability under adaptive chosen ciphertext attack (IND-CCA2), which means that shared secret values should be indistinguishable from random strings even given the ability to have arbitrary ciphertexts decapsulated. IND- CCA2 corresponds to security against an active attacker, and the public key / secret key pair can be treated as a long-term key or reused. A weaker security notion is indistinguishability under chosen plaintext attack (IND-CPA), which means that the shared secret values should be indistinguishable from random strings given a copy of the public key. IND-CPA roughly corresponds to security against a passive attacker, and sometimes corresponds to one-time key exchange. Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 3] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 The post-quantum KEM used in the document is ML-KEM. ML-KEM was standardized in 2024 [FIPS203] with three parameter variants, ML-KEM- 512, ML-KEM-768, and ML-KEM-1024. 1.1. Requirements Language The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]. 2. PQ/T Hybrid Key Exchange 2.1. PQ/T Hybrid Key Exchange Method Abstraction This section defines the abstract structure of a PQ/T Hybrid key exchange method. This structure must be instantiated with two key exchange schemes. The byte and string types are to be interpreted in this document as described in [RFC4251]. In a PQ/T Hybrid key exchange, instead of SSH_MSG_KEXDH_INIT [RFC4253] or SSH_MSG_KEX_ECDH_INIT [RFC5656], the client sends byte SSH_MSG_KEX_HYBRID_INIT string C_INIT where C_INIT is the concatenation of C_PK2 and C_PK1 (C_INIT = C_PK2 || C_PK1, where || depicts concatenation). C_PK1 and C_PK2 represent the ephemeral client public keys used for each key exchange of the PQ/T Hybrid mechanism. Typically, C_PK1 represents a traditional / classical (i.e., ECDH) key exchange public key. C_PK2 represents the 'pk' output of the corresponding post-quantum KEM's 'KeyGen' at the client. Instead of SSH_MSG_KEXDH_REPLY [RFC4253] or SSH_MSG_KEX_ECDH_REPLY [RFC5656], the server sends byte SSH_MSG_KEX_HYBRID_REPLY string K_S, server's public host key string S_REPLY string the signature on the exchange hash where S_REPLY is the concatenation of S_CT2 and S_PK1 (S_REPLY = S_CT2 || S_PK1). Typically, S_PK1 represents the ephemeral (EC)DH server public key. S_CT2 represents the ciphertext 'ct' output of the corresponding KEM's 'Encaps' algorithm generated by the server which encapsulates a secret to the client public key C_PK2. Before producing S_CT2, if the ML-KEM public key checks defined in Section 7.1 of [FIPS203] fail, the server MUST reject the Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 4] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 SSH_MSG_KEX_HYBRID_INIT message with a disconnect (SSH_MSG_DISCONNECT) of the session and use the SSH_DISCONNECT_KEY_EXCHANGE_FAILED reason for the message. C_PK1, S_PK1, C_PK2, S_CT2 are used to establish two shared secrets, K_CL and K_PQ. K_CL is the output from the classical ECDH exchange using C_PK1 and S_PK1. K_PQ is the post-quantum shared secret decapsulated from S_CT2. If the decapsulation checks defined in Section 7.2 of [FIPS203] fail, the client MUST reject the SSH_MSG_KEX_HYBRID_INIT message with a disconnect (SSH_MSG_DISCONNECT) of the session and use the SSH_DISCONNECT_KEY_EXCHANGE_FAILED reason for the message. K_CL and K_PQ are used together to generate the shared secret K according to Section 2.4. 2.2. PQ/T Hybrid Key Exchange Message Numbers The message numbers 30-49 are key-exchange-specific and in a private namespace defined in [RFC4250] that may be redefined by any key exchange method [RFC4253] without requiring an IANA registration process. The following private namespace message numbers are defined in this document: #define SSH_MSG_KEX_HYBRID_INIT 30 #define SSH_MSG_KEX_HYBRID_REPLY 31 2.3. PQ/T Hybrid Key Exchange Method Names The PQ/T Hybrid key exchange method names defined in this document (to be used in SSH_MSG_KEXINIT [RFC4253]) are mlkem768nistp256-sha256 mlkem1024nistp384-sha384 mlkem768x25519-sha256 These instantiate the abstract PQ/T Hybrid key exchanges defined in Section 2.1. 2.3.1. mlkem768nistp256-sha256 mlkem768nistp256-sha256 defines that the traditional client and server public keys C_PK1, S_PK1 belong to the NIST P-256 curve [nist-sp800-186]. The private and public keys are generated as described therein. The public keys are defined as octet strings for NIST P-256 as per [RFC5656]; point compression may be used. The K_CL shared secret is generated from the exchanged C_PK1 and S_PK1 public Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 5] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 keys as defined in [RFC5656] (key agreement method ecdh- sha2-nistp256). The post-quantum C_PK2 and S_CT2 represent ML-KEM-768 public key and ciphertext from the client and server respectively which are encoded as octet strings. The K_PQ shared secret is decapsulated from the ciphertext S_CT2 using the client post-quantum KEM private key as defined in [FIPS203]. The HASH function used in the key exchange [RFC4253] is SHA-256 [nist-sha2] [RFC6234]. 2.3.2. mlkem1024nistp384-sha384 mlkem1024nistp384-sha384 defines that the classical client and server public keys C_PK1, S_PK1 belong to the NIST P-384 curve [nist-sp800-186]. The private and public keys are generated as described therein. The public keys are defined as octet strings for NIST P-384 as per [RFC5656]; point compression may be used. The K_CL shared secret is generated from the exchanged C_PK1 and S_PK1 public keys as defined in [RFC5656] (key agreement method ecdh- sha2-nistp384). The post-quantum C_PK2 and S_CT2 represent ML-KEM-1024 public key and ciphertext from the client and server respectively which are encoded as octet strings. The K_PQ shared secret is decapsulated from the ciphertext S_CT2 using the client post-quantum KEM private key as defined in [FIPS203]. The HASH function used in the key exchange [RFC4253] is SHA-384 [nist-sha2] [RFC6234]. This method is compliant with CNSA 2.0 requirements [CNSA2] until 2033. CNSA 2.0 requires support for ML-KEM-1024 in 2025 and makes it mandatory without any classical algorithm in the key exchange in 2033. 2.3.3. mlkem768x25519-sha256 mlkem768x25519-sha256 defines that the traditional client and server public keys C_PK1, S_PK1 belong to the Curve25519 curve [RFC7748]. Private and public keys are generated as described therein. The public keys are defined as strings of 32 bytes as per [RFC8731]. The K_CL shared secret is generated from the exchanged C_PK1 and S_PK1 public keys as defined in [RFC8731] (key agreement method curve25519-sha256). Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 6] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 The post-quantum C_PK2 and S_CT2 represent ML-KEM-768 public key and ciphertext from the client and server respectively which are encoded as octet strings. The K_PQ shared secret is decapsulated from the ciphertext S_CT2 using the client post-quantum KEM private key as defined in [FIPS203]. The HASH function used in the key exchange [RFC4253] is SHA-256 [nist-sha2] [RFC6234]. 2.4. Shared Secret K The PQ/T Hybrid key exchange establishes K_CL and K_PQ from the ECDH and ML-KEM key exchanges respectively. The shared secret, K, is the HASH output of the concatenation of the two shared secrets K_CL and K_PQ as K = HASH(K_PQ || K_CL) This is similar, but not the same (for efficiency), logic as in TLS 1.3 [I-D.ietf-tls-hybrid-design]. In [I-D.ietf-tls-hybrid-design], the classical and post-quantum exchanged secrets are concatenated and used in the key schedule whereas in this document they are concatenated and hashed before being used in SSH's key derivation methodology. The ECDH shared secret was traditionally encoded as an integer as per [RFC4253], [RFC5656], and [RFC8731] and used in deriving the key. In this specification, the two shared secrets, K_PQ and K_CL, are fed into the hash function to derive K. Thus, K_PQ and K_CL are encoded as fixed-length byte arrays, not as integers. Byte arrays are defined in Section 5 of [RFC4251]. 2.5. Key Derivation The derivation of encryption keys MUST be done from the shared secret K according to Section 7.2 in [RFC4253] with a modification on the exchange hash H. The PQ/T Hybrid key exchange hash H is the result of computing the HASH, where HASH is the hash algorithm specified in the named PQ/T Hybrid key exchange method name, over the concatenation of the following Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 7] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 string V_C, client identification string (CR and LF excluded) string V_S, server identification string (CR and LF excluded) string I_C, payload of the client's SSH_MSG_KEXINIT string I_S, payload of the server's SSH_MSG_KEXINIT string K_S, server's public host key string C_INIT, client message octet string string S_REPLY, server message octet string string K, SSH shared secret K, the shared secret used in H, was traditionally encoded as an integer (mpint) as per [RFC4253], [RFC5656], and [RFC8731]. In this specification, K is the hash output of the two concatenated byte arrays (Section 2.4) which is not an integer. Thus, K is encoded as a string using the process described in Section 5 of [RFC4251] and is then fed along with other data in H to the key exchange method's HASH function to generate encryption keys. 3. Message Size An implementation adhering to [RFC4253] must be able to support packets with an uncompressed payload length of 32768 bytes or less and a total packet size of 35000 bytes or less (including 'packet_length', 'padding_length', 'payload', 'random padding', and 'mac'). These numbers represent what must be 'minimally supported' by implementations. This can present a problem when using post- quantum key exchange schemes because some post-quantum schemes can produce much larger messages than what is normally produced by existing key exchange methods defined for SSH. This document does not define any method names (Section 2.3) that cause any PQ/T Hybrid key exchange method related packets to exceed the minimally supported packet length. This document does not define behavior in cases where a PQ/T Hybrid key exchange message cause a packet to exceed the minimally supported packet length. 4. Acknowledgements The authors want to thank Gerado Ravago from AWS for implementing the draft and finding issues. We also want to thank Damien Miller and Markus Friedl for their feedback and for bringing some of the SSH key exchange methods in this document in OpenSSH. 5. IANA Considerations This memo includes requests of IANA to register new method names "mlkem768nistp256-sha256", "mlkem1024nistp384-sha384", and "mlkem768x25519-sha256" to be registered by IANA in the "Key Exchange Method Names" registry for SSH [IANA-SSH]. Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 8] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 6. Security Considerations The security considerations given in [RFC5656] and [RFC8731] also apply to the ECDH part of the P/T Hybrid key exchange schemes defined in this document. The way a derived binary secret string is encoded (i.e., adding or removing zero bytes for encoding) before it is hashed may lead to a variable-length secret which raises the potential for a side-channel attack. In broad terms, when the secret is longer, the hash function may need to process more blocks internally which could determine the length of what is hashed. This could leak the most significant bit of the derived secret and/or allow detection of when the most significant bytes are zero. In some unfortunate circumstances, this has led to timing attacks, e.g. the Lucky Thirteen [LUCKY13] and Raccoon [RACCOON] attacks. In [RFC8731] and [RFC5656], the ECDH shared secrets were mpint and fixed-length integer encoded respectively which raised a potential for such side-channel attacks. This problem is addressed in this document by encoding K_PQ and K_CL as fixed-length byte arrays and K as a string. Implementations MUST use these encodings for K_PQ, K_CL, and K. [NIST-SP-800-56C] and [NIST-SP-800-135] gives NIST recommendations for key derivation methods in key exchange protocols. Some PQ/T Hybrid combinations may combine the shared secret from a NIST- approved algorithm (e.g., ECDH using the nistp256/secp256r1 curve or ML-KEM) with a shared secret from a non-approved algorithm (e.g., X25519). [NIST-SP-800-56C] lists simple concatenation as an approved method for generation of a PQ/T Hybrid shared secret in which one of the constituent shared secret is from an approved method. Thus, the combination of the two shared secrets in this document is FIPS- approved assuming the ECDH curve and ML-KEM negotiated parameters are FIPS approved. [NIST-SP-800-135] also approves the key derivation used in SSH. This method is the same used in this document to derive keys from the quantum-resistant shared secret for use in SSH. Thus, the keys derived from the PQ/T Hybrid key exchange in this document are FIPS approved. [PQ-PROOF] [PQ-PROOF2] contain proofs of security for PQ/T Hybrid key exchange schemes. [PQ-PROOF2] discusses how the key combination to derive K and the derivation of SSH symmetric keys in this document can be proven IND-CPA and IND-CCA2 secure with some assumptions. IND-CPA is achieved if we assume the HASH calls perform as a KDF which is a reasonable assumption. IND-CCA2 security is achieved by assuming the HASH is a random oracle which is a stronger assumption especially for hash functions like SHA-2 which permit length extension concerns. To leverage a HASH which is more suitable as a random oracle, we could use SHAKE256 or introduce HMAC-SHA-256 as Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 9] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 proposed in options (2b) and (2c) in Appendix A. This document uses SHA2 which is ubiquitous although it makes an IND-CCA2 proof need stronger assumptions because even SSH's traditional key derivation has not been proven to be IND-CCA2. As with (EC)DH keys today, generating an ephemeral key exchange keypair for ECDH and ML-KEM is still REQUIRED per connection by this specification (IND-CPA security). Implementations also MUST NOT reuse randomness in the generation of KEM ciphertexts. 7. References 7.1. Normative References [FIPS203] National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), "Module-Lattice-Based Key-Encapsulation Mechanism Standard", NIST Federal Information Processing Standards, 13 August 2024, . [RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, DOI 10.17487/RFC2119, March 1997, . [RFC4251] Ylonen, T. and C. Lonvick, Ed., "The Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Architecture", RFC 4251, DOI 10.17487/RFC4251, January 2006, . [RFC4253] Ylonen, T. and C. Lonvick, Ed., "The Secure Shell (SSH) Transport Layer Protocol", RFC 4253, DOI 10.17487/RFC4253, January 2006, . 7.2. Informative References [CNSA2] National Security Agency (NSA), "Announcing the Commercial National Security Algorithm Suite 2.0", April 2024, . [I-D.connolly-cfrg-xwing-kem] Connolly, D., Schwabe, P., and B. Westerbaan, "X-Wing: general-purpose hybrid post-quantum KEM", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-connolly-cfrg-xwing-kem- 02, 26 March 2024, . Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 10] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 [I-D.hoffman-c2pq] Hoffman, P. E., "The Transition from Classical to Post- Quantum Cryptography", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-hoffman-c2pq-07, 26 May 2020, . [I-D.ietf-pquip-pqt-hybrid-terminology] D, F. and M. P, "Terminology for Post-Quantum Traditional Hybrid Schemes", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft- ietf-pquip-pqt-hybrid-terminology-03, 9 May 2024, . [I-D.ietf-tls-hybrid-design] Stebila, D., Fluhrer, S., and S. Gueron, "Hybrid key exchange in TLS 1.3", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-tls-hybrid-design-10, 5 April 2024, . [I-D.josefsson-chempat] Josefsson, S., "Chempat: Generic Instantiated PQ/T Hybrid Key Encapsulation Mechanisms", Work in Progress, Internet- Draft, draft-josefsson-chempat-01, 14 April 2024, . [IANA-SSH] IANA, "Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Parameters", 2021, . [LUCKY13] Al Fardan, N.J. and K.G. Paterson, "Lucky Thirteen: Breaking the TLS and DTLS record protocols", 2013, . [nist-sha2] NIST, "FIPS PUB 180-4", 2015, . [NIST-SP-800-135] National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), "Recommendation for Existing Application-Specific Key Derivation Functions", December 2011, . Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 11] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 [NIST-SP-800-56C] National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), "Recommendation for Key-Derivation Methods in Key- Establishment Schemes", August 2020, . [nist-sp800-186] NIST, "SP 800-186", 2019, . [NIST_PQ] NIST, "Post-Quantum Cryptography", 2020, . [PQ-PROOF] Campagna, M. and A. Petcher, "Security of Hybrid Key Encapsulation", 2020, . [PQ-PROOF2] Petcher, A. and M. Campagna, "Security of Hybrid Key Establishment using Concatenation", 2023, . [RACCOON] Merget, R., Brinkmann, M., Aviram, N., Somorovsky, J., Mittmann, J., and J. Schwenk, "Raccoon Attack: Finding and Exploiting Most-Significant-Bit-Oracles in TLS-DH(E)", September 2020, . [RFC4250] Lehtinen, S. and C. Lonvick, Ed., "The Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Assigned Numbers", RFC 4250, DOI 10.17487/RFC4250, January 2006, . [RFC5656] Stebila, D. and J. Green, "Elliptic Curve Algorithm Integration in the Secure Shell Transport Layer", RFC 5656, DOI 10.17487/RFC5656, December 2009, . [RFC6234] Eastlake 3rd, D. and T. Hansen, "US Secure Hash Algorithms (SHA and SHA-based HMAC and HKDF)", RFC 6234, DOI 10.17487/RFC6234, May 2011, . [RFC7748] Langley, A., Hamburg, M., and S. Turner, "Elliptic Curves for Security", RFC 7748, DOI 10.17487/RFC7748, January 2016, . Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 12] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 [RFC8731] Adamantiadis, A., Josefsson, S., and M. Baushke, "Secure Shell (SSH) Key Exchange Method Using Curve25519 and Curve448", RFC 8731, DOI 10.17487/RFC8731, February 2020, . Appendix A. Other Combiners Other combiners to derive K and the SSH keys were considered while working on this document. These include (1) K = K_PQ || K_CL. All SSH keys are derived from K as defined in Section 7.2 in [RFC4253]. (2) All SSH keys are derived from K as defined in Section 7.2 in [RFC4253]. (a) K = HASH(K_PQ, K_CL). This is the option adopted in this specification. (b) K = HMAC-HASH(K_PQ, K_CL) (c) K = HMAC-HASH(0, K_PQ || K_CL) (3) K = HKDF-HASH_Extract(0, K_PQ || K_CL). SSH keys are now derived from K using HKDF-HASH(K, H || session_id, 6*sizeof(HASH)). Option (3) follows the Extract-and-Expand logic described in [NIST-SP-800-56C]. It deviates from existing SSH key derivation significantly and might be viewed as too far from the current SSH design. It probably would be a good approach for SSH to move from basic hashing everywhere to use proper KDFs with extract/expand, but that should be a separate effort. We also considered combiners like the ones proposed in [I-D.josefsson-chempat] and [I-D.connolly-cfrg-xwing-kem]. [I-D.connolly-cfrg-xwing-kem] has a separate IND-CCA2 security proof. Although such combiners may be proven IND-CCA2 secure, to be IND- CCA2, the SSH key derivation would still require the assumptions laid out in [PQ-PROOF2] and discussed in Section 6. Authors' Addresses Panos Kampanakis AWS Email: kpanos@amazon.com Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 13] Internet-Draft PQ SSH August 2024 Douglas Stebila University of Waterloo Email: dstebila@uwaterloo.ca Torben Hansen AWS Email: htorben@amazon.com Kampanakis, et al. Expires 25 February 2025 [Page 14]